tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3698623.post603775184790163016..comments2023-10-11T09:11:45.658-06:00Comments on Plucky Punk's Happy Land...Grr...Spit...: I accidentally made a white girl sad today.Vanessahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08897350435770099399noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3698623.post-59176026418549726942011-04-07T17:53:23.474-06:002011-04-07T17:53:23.474-06:00Hey, girl. You like the old punkUation? I do. I lo...Hey, girl. You like the old punkUation? I do. I love’m. Black Flag? MDC? GBH? DRI? SocD? I saw’m at the Outhouse, Lawrence, KS. They kick, some, ass. Not that wimpy, wussy GreenDay/WingoStarr cr@p. *barff'n* That's also taken on a new angst in my finite existence: try to git U.S. punks to not look so much at the whorizontal, but at Heaven Above where the sky‘s the limit. God blessa youse -Fr. Sarducci, ol SNL-blessed holy socks, the non-perishable-zealothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00241446130197185049noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3698623.post-27328216887556514102008-04-12T15:04:00.000-06:002008-04-12T15:04:00.000-06:00Yeah, it's one thing if the white girl in question...Yeah, it's one thing if the white girl in question had whatever personal going on there I suppose; but you know, it's true, it's treated like a terrible faux pas to just, not even accusatorily, just plainly, acknowledge basic disparities in the room, in general.<BR/><BR/>maybe that's why when it does finally come out wrt "check your privilege" or whatnot that it seems like such a big honking deal to so many people.<BR/><BR/>maybe it's that part of the System one is supposedly trying to unpack and unravel relies on "you suck, you fucked up, you'll never be good enough, but you're still not allowed to stop trying." It's true that relatively privileged people tend to wallow in these wounds to the detriment of acknowledging that -other people- have the same damn shit and more besides; still, fact is, yeah, there are wounds. Shame culture, or something.<BR/><BR/>eh, I'm rambling, I guess.belledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3698623.post-74380891718208667562008-02-17T22:42:00.000-07:002008-02-17T22:42:00.000-07:00I think you WERE helping her out.That said, I wond...I think you WERE helping her out.<BR/><BR/>That said, I wonder if there were a more foolproof way of doing it, like... none of your relatives were ever sent to the back of the bus, you probably haven't had people treat you differently because of skin color, etc. While there are definitely economic differences en masse among racial groups, there are exceptions such that if one had applied there, she could have said so and missed your point. <BR/><BR/>That said, kudos for speaking up, and hopefully she learned something.Octogalorehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14052288318330285365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3698623.post-64734166359330944522008-01-30T14:17:00.000-07:002008-01-30T14:17:00.000-07:00And by "whole people present" I mean of course "wh...And by "whole people present" I mean of course "white people present."<BR/><BR/>Which is what I get for ranting via sidekick.Vanessahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08897350435770099399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3698623.post-14975814941210410132008-01-30T14:14:00.000-07:002008-01-30T14:14:00.000-07:00I don't think it was her lack of understanding wha...I don't think it was her lack of understanding what the professor was getting at that was bugging me. I thought I was being the nice helpful older woman in the class by making the suggestion.<BR/><BR/>It just, for me, goes back to the whole idea of aknowleging the racial imbalance of power in American society is somehow an insult to the whole people present. When I said what I did, I didn't mean it in the "ohh, burn!" way the girl and the mostly white classroom took it. It was meant more as a statement of fact, which it is (albiet simplistically so). I mean, one should never confuse the way things are with the way things ought to be. That's like the first thing they teach you in anthropologist school.<BR/><BR/>Really, this is the same thing that happens *again and again* to me, a POC, when I talk about race around white people (which, btw, is a term I always feel weird about using, but fits here). It's not meant as an attack, you (the general you, not you specifically lol) don't have to get defensive. But if you're going to study a culture academically then you have to *deal* with the fact that it's a racist one that probably (although not definitely) benefit you based on the color of your skin, just like it will probably (although not definitely) hurt me based on the color of my skin. You have to deal with that so that you can study how and why that comes about. <BR/><BR/>And then, maybe you can try to change it.<BR/><BR/>But if we can't move past flabbergastery (is that a word?) or indignation when the subject is even broached then nothing will be understood and nothing will change.<BR/><BR/>And that is my rant of the day lol.Vanessahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08897350435770099399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3698623.post-21904528459079913762008-01-30T04:10:00.000-07:002008-01-30T04:10:00.000-07:00One more thing--the fact is, in this classroom at ...One more thing--the fact is, in this classroom at least, the professor (any color, gender, etc.) has a lot of power-over in this relationship. She holds most of the marbles. It's also a new relationship. Whatever else goes on in the larger world, this professor has the ability to not only flunk this student (or you, or a third student altogether), but to tag her as racist or otherwise anti-social for the rest of her academic career. So.<BR/><BR/>All this said, I do wish I'd taken more classes like that. I'm a marketing major, so I had only one Anthropology 101 class. I practice Vodoun ("voodoo") and my best friend from high school up is from Jamaica, so this particular class might have helped me quite a bit! I hope the class is a fun and productive one.CrackerLilohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18176388186521154104noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3698623.post-12077157388355099692008-01-29T18:23:00.000-07:002008-01-29T18:23:00.000-07:00I do know it's far, far, far more likely that a wh...I do know it's far, far, far more likely that a white person will live in a wealthier neighborhood than a black one, but if you check out the Appalachians or a trailer park, you'll quickly see that's not always true. I wonder what this girl's background is. Also, it could be she was trying to be polite and not make assumptions based on things she doesn't know.<BR/><BR/>Or as Kid Rock once sang, "I ain't straight outta Compton, I'm straight out da trailer!"<BR/><BR/>Trying to help...CrackerLilohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18176388186521154104noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3698623.post-19122426071194569022008-01-28T21:04:00.000-07:002008-01-28T21:04:00.000-07:00Seriously. It was just so...Really? Is this some...Seriously. It was just so...Really? Is this something we're not allowed to talk about? <BR/><BR/>I mean, it seems so incredible, but fucking *race issues* keep rearing their ugly head in my life recently. Race issues. in 2008.Vanessahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08897350435770099399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3698623.post-67743709867589344732008-01-28T19:37:00.000-07:002008-01-28T19:37:00.000-07:00blink blink...hhumans.blink blink...<BR/><BR/>hhumans.Renegade Evolutionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17905949172886730262noreply@blogger.com