tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3698623.post7576643440261953662..comments2023-10-11T09:11:45.658-06:00Comments on Plucky Punk's Happy Land...Grr...Spit...: No, reconciliation is not really the primary goal.Vanessahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08897350435770099399noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3698623.post-5210189880395902392008-04-19T09:38:00.000-06:002008-04-19T09:38:00.000-06:00PF: We do sit together, actually! And with the wa...PF: We do sit together, actually! And with the want-to-be-liked thing, I think that does play a big part, esp with white feminists, maybe, part of American gender roles? <BR/><BR/>I dunno, don't want to speak for white women or anything.<BR/><BR/>Daisy: (let the Beatles references fly, btw) There's that, and that people just can't be uncomfortable nowadays.<BR/><BR/>Belle: I think it gets back to who's allowed to be angry.Vanessahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08897350435770099399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3698623.post-78762886611351103802008-04-19T09:01:00.000-06:002008-04-19T09:01:00.000-06:00maegan: I know, I was just totally taken by this ...maegan: I know, I was just totally taken by this book. I read it twice!Vanessahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08897350435770099399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3698623.post-43068230587951565702008-04-19T09:00:00.000-06:002008-04-19T09:00:00.000-06:00Whatshername: Well, yes, I do think that's one of ...Whatshername: Well, yes, I do think that's one of those ally moments, for sure. I'm not entirely sure *why* I didn't speak up in class. <BR/><BR/>Well, yes, I do know why. A lot of this online stuff was happening at the same time and I didn't want to open that can of worms all over myself.Vanessahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08897350435770099399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3698623.post-61172007817001095552008-04-19T00:28:00.000-06:002008-04-19T00:28:00.000-06:00How would you have felt if a white female class ma...How would you have felt if a white female class mate had raised her hand and told him it wasn't all about him?<BR/><BR/>Is that the sort of moment where such an action is acting like an ally? Or one where it's doing more harm then good, do you think?<BR/><BR/>Because I couldn't have kept my mouth shut about that tripe.whatsernamehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15731411057968563416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3698623.post-69482336455724730492008-04-12T16:30:00.000-06:002008-04-12T16:30:00.000-06:00AIYIEEEEEEE (fantasizes briefly about locking thi...AIYIEEEEEEE <BR/><BR/>(fantasizes briefly about locking this dude in a room with maxjulian for an hour or so)<BR/><BR/>You know what I really love? How a lot of the time, it's the same "peace! one love! woo! reconciliation!" (or Zen Buddhism as per Mahablog that one time, that was special) people that either defend or are curiously silent about the Angry White Boys (and Girls, sometimes, depending on where we are) who're "just joking," so young, so fucked up, need to be cut some slack, etc. etc. etc. etc.belledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3698623.post-88659316718984118692008-04-10T10:25:00.000-06:002008-04-10T10:25:00.000-06:00Sigh, gonna sound like an old lady again. But I g...Sigh, gonna sound like an old lady again. But I grew up with the Black Panthers over at stage left...they didn't fuck around, and they didn't compromise. I always knew that was the radical position. I think these kids growing up now are unused to that position; absolutism of any kind freaks these kids out. (The ones who CRAVE it end up as fundies of some kind, since there is little organized radicalism left.) They act you're "being mean" or something; they have no concept of what personal and political autonomy are, since Dubya and his gang have fudged the boundaries. IMHO. "I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together"=Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, what's the difference, we own it all! <BR/><BR/>And see, this guy acts like he owns the Caribbean slums too! It's all his to do what he wants, and what he wants his nicey-nice we-all-live-in-a-yellow submarine!<BR/><BR/>That's two Beatles quotes in two paragraphs, sorry about that.Daisyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16354486841414802245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3698623.post-62081148554929286572008-04-10T10:07:00.000-06:002008-04-10T10:07:00.000-06:00He said that if the goal of activists for racial e...<I>He said that if the goal of activists for racial equality is to achieve "reconciliation," then this wasn't the way to do that because he didn't see a place for himself with someone who was so mad about something he couldn't do anything about.<BR/><BR/>Which is an argument that probably sounds familiar to some people.</I><BR/><BR/>Yep. White people always want to be liked, and they/we don't get it when someone is angry. So then, we take it personally, assuming that it's all about us.<BR/><BR/>I hope you and the only other Black woman in the class at least sit together for moral support...Plain(s)feministhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15056404699624958898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3698623.post-70141167415526256262008-04-10T04:48:00.000-06:002008-04-10T04:48:00.000-06:00Ah how I don't miss the white people thos types of...Ah how I don't miss the white people thos types of classes. Just the stress alone could kill ya and then to deal with them and that same attitude in your homeland, be that the island of Antigua or the island of Manhattan. <BR/><BR/>I love that book by the way. I read it back in the day for a similiar class in college.Maegan la Malahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02150905635603224058noreply@blogger.com